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CARF 2018 Conference Notes:
First of all, I am so glad I went to the CARF Conference! It was worth every dime I spent – a true investment in myself, but hopefully I can bless and encourage others from what I learned.
The CARF staff and volunteers are friendly and eager to help each of us. The doctors who presented information are compassionate towards us patients and passionate about their research to find the cause and cure for cicatricial alopecias. I’ve never been to a conference where presenters are so accessible to the attendees, eating meals with us, mingling with us, and answering our zillions of questions.
CARF will have a new website launched soon. I encourage you to check it out when it goes live and at the very least, sign up for their e-newsletter. They will be bringing back the physician referral list, launching an anonymous online support group (especially helpful for those of us who aren’t on Facebook), and providing ways to connect to support groups in your area. Don’t have one in your area? Considering starting one! There are so many others just like us who we can be of support and compassion to in this journey of scarring hair loss.
Now, a few quick words: this will be a lengthy post. I have 12 typed pages of notes from the day and a half seminar! I will do my best to condense the information and provide topic headings in case you want to skip over things. Also, just a disclaimer that I am NOT a physician, I am a patient, and these are my personal notes as I heard them and nothing here is meant to diagnose, treat, or cure any scarring hair loss. I hope this information will be helpful to those seeking answers.
If there is anyone on here who also attended CARF, feel free to add things I’ve missed or correct any mis-information.
WHAT CAUSES CICATRICIAL ALOPECIA (CA)?
Dr. Jeff Donovan, Dermatologist from Vancouver, Canada
USEFULNESS OF THE SCALP BIOPSY
Dr. Michael Ioffreda, Penn State Health, Hershey Medical Center
BASICS OF LPP, FFA, CCCA
Dr. Kathie Huang, Harvard Medical School, Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston, MA
*Note – the majority of conference attendees have LPP and/or FFA with a lower number of CCCA represented
BASICS OF DLE, DC, AND FD
Dr. Kimberly Salkey, VCU School of Medicine
*Note: There were only two attendees that I’m aware of who had one of these types of CA
PRP THERAPY
Dr. Ronda Farah, University of Minnesota, Health Cosmetic Center, Lead, Dept of Dermatology
JAK INHIBITORS
Dr. Brigitte Sallee, Columbia University
USE OF NARROW BAND UVB TREATMENT
Dr. Maryanne Senna, Massachusetts General, Founder of Hair Academic Innovative Research (HAIR)
SURGICAL THERAPIES
Dr. Nicole Rogers, New Orleans, LA
TREATING ITCH AND PAIN
Dr. Sarina Elmariah, Massachusetts General
LASER TREATMENTS
Dr. Ronda Farah
MEDICAL THERAPIES FOR SCARRING ALOPECIA
Dr. Lynne Goldberg, Boston University School of Medicine
NUTRITION AND HAIR
Dr. Yolanda Lenzy, Dermatologist
THE MIND BODY CONNECTION
Dr. Maryanne Senna
CAMOUFLAGE OPTIONS FOR SCALP AND EYEBROWS
Dr. Nicole Rogers
SAFE HAIR STYLING
Dr. Yolanda Lenzy
Q&A (a collection of questions asked by attendees throughout the conference)
What triggers this process?
Environment and Genetics. Genetics are not found to have a link with LPP or FFA. Genetics are more prevalent a cause in CCCA. Environment: infection such as staph has some role in Folliculitis Decalvans. Trauma or injury to scalp can play a role. Sunscreens – still not enough data to be sure that sunscreen plays a role.
What triggers LPP?
Still don’t know. Drugs, viruses, contact sensitizers such as hair dyes, sunscreens, makeup, are all still being researched.
Androgens?
What is the goal of treatment for CA?
At this point, the goal of treatment is to stop inflammation and slow or halt the progression of hair loss. This is accomplished using topical treatments, injectables, oral medication, or excimer and other laser treatments.
What do the doctors need most?
What if my insurance doesn’t cover testing or treatment for CA?
L66.1 is the code that should be used – not a guarantee it will work but this is the one the doctor panel said to use. Doctors shouldn’t use the standard code for “alopecia” as some insurances may not accept this.
Do we know if CAs really burn out?
We do not know for sure at this time.
If it burns out, is it for good or will it come back?
Also unknown.
How often should I go back to my doctor for follow ups?
Doctors usually space out visits as treatments progress. From several times/week, to once/week, to once every other week, to once/month and so on.
Do you need a biopsy to confirm burnout?
Doctors said YES. That is the only way to truly know. It will confirms a lack of inflammation.
Is there a correlation of thyroid disease and CA?
Hair loss from a thyroid condition is a separate cause and not related to CA.
Can I have more than one type of hair loss?
Yes, you can have more than one type of hair loss. In fact, there is a fair amount of overlap.
What about sunscreen?????
Avoid chemical sunscreens. Titanium dioxide okay. Blue Lizard Baby or Sensitive are good options. Look at your cosmetics too. Err on side of caution and eliminate the chemical sunscreens. That said, they really don’t know yet if sunscreen is a cause of CA.
Are there any other conditions of health that seem co-mingled with CA?
Yes, there can be – especially other autoimmune disorders. Make sure your primary doctor is looking at your overall health picture.
Is CA an autoimmune disease?
Yes, doctors thought it is an autoimmune disease – it does fit the classification. LPP patients tend to have other autoimmune issues going on.
What about my dry eyes, dry skin, rosacea? Is there a link?
Yes, there is a link with the loss of sebaceous glands affecting other areas – particularly in FFA – dry skin, dry eyes, and rosacea.
What about gut health?
Not much was said about this other than that the doctors agree gut health affects many areas of the body
What drugs should I stay away from?
Doctors encourage us to go to pubmed.org to research drugs and side effects. Look at the side effects when you are prescribed something. If you aren’t comfortable with taking the medicine or if you see something in it you are allergic to, don’t take it.
What foods should I stay away from?
We all metabolize foods differently - just know your own body – whatever makes you itch, bloated, etc, just avoid them. A full elimination diet like AIP – one doctor said it’s hard to recommend it to people until there is more information. It can’t harm you – may make you feel better overall – but no research or evidence it helps with hair loss.
What alternatives are there to sunscreen?
Search for SPF clothing (Land’s End was one brand mentioned) to protect from the sun.
Is it helpful to have my cortisol and/or DHT levels tested?
Doctors don’t normally test these. Cortisol is hard to test for. There is no data on this. Hormone levels usually test normal with pattern hair thinning. (I have FFA and my hormone levels all test normal)
Is there a link to menopause?
When the sebaceous glands shut down - they go almost to 0 – skin gets dry, vaginal dryness, hair texture changes – and those who are predisposed to get CA, menopause activates the process of sebaceous gland shut down (as well as destroy stem cells as mentioned earlier). There is a study by Kossard on menopause and FFA you can read – it’s on pubmed.org
Does taking Dutasteride increase my risk of breast cancer?
There are no direct studies on this. But if you have a family history of breast cancer, the doctor recommended not to take Dutasteride or Finasteride. In fact, some doctors won’t prescribe it to you if you have a family history of breast cancer.
Is it safe to color my hair?
Again, doctors recommend to do patch testing to determine if you are allergic to an ingredient. If not, it’s ok.
What’s a good solution for facial papules?
Retin A products seem to work well for this.
Other tips from show and tell time:
Hair Camo: Hair Direct, Derm Match, Boost n Blend, Toppik, Couvre
Eyebrows: Anastasia Dip Brow or Sephora brand brow pencils (get it two different colors and blend them. “Model in a Bottle” spray helps set the brow pencil to keep it from rubbing off.
Swimming solution: Nammu swim hats are great to use when you are swimming
Scalp pain or burning: Iced cap, Elasto Gel, bag of frozen peas
At home lasers: Hair Max, Capillus
Hair pieces: we looked at options like wigs, bonded hair pieces, taped front pieces. Davlyn tape was recommended for taping pieces down. You can find this at hairdirect.com
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Wow, curlyK, what a fantastic job you have done, collating all that information, thank you so so much, glad you enjoyed the conference and found lovely supportive people there. Also nice to hear there are some health professionals keen to keep up the research and feel for what we are going through, thanks again your a star. Plf
CurlyK,
You did a fantastic job organizing your notes. I really appreciate you sharing.
I am most interested in finding out about Finesteride (sp?). I just had a second round of steroid injections at my scalp. The inflammation seems much better but still does not look normal. Of course there was no mention of cannibis oils - but I am going to be in California next week and plan to find a source so I can try that treatment.
Thanks again CurlyK!
Absolutely THE best note taker ever! It was SUCH a pleasure to get to know you, sit with you at dinner and for a bit at the bar... and to talk with you. Your hair piece is downright gorgeous - and I'm sure I speak for all of the ladies on here when I say a genuine "Thank you" for such a comprehensive outline of the information shared at the conference. I hope our paths cross again one day! PS: Would you mind terribly if I shared this outline on Hatcho's FB site? It is SO rich with information! Let me know... God Bless.
Thanks all! Yes, please feel free to share! The more we share, the more help we provide to others on this journey.
BubbaLu, cannabinoids were mentioned under the section “treating pain and itch” but they didn’t elaborate too much on it.
Wow! Thank you! From what you write, it would seem I should try Finasteride, it would seem I *should* get the freakin’ biopsy, and it would seem that I have FFA but not LLP. Except I (knock wood I will say it again) still have my eyebrows. I am glad for their honesty regarding all they *don’t* know.
I personally am thinking this won’t burn out, and see the top of my head ressembling a lattice-work of ever-more-sparse hair with scalp-space as the months go on.
I am glad the diet doctor was honest about the efficacy or lack-thereof of the AIP, the unknown factor of sunscreen, etc.
My impression is that they don’t have enough money, time nor support and interest to take their research to the next level. Unless a rich and influential person cares enough about this condition to grant a sizeable sum, or unless a « more important » related condition (involving the use of stem cells for example) has the unexpected positive effect on hair growth, I don’t see their research progressing much. I am trying to be realistic, not pessimistic, though the two may necessarily go together, alas.
I will consult your notes for my next trip to Dr Less-Famous in Paris, CurlyK. Bises et merci beaucoup.
This report is wonderful! Thank you for generously sharing this information with us. More questions than answers however it's good to know some doctors are focused on this issue.
Thank you for taking the time to write this up and share it!
Excellent notes Curlyk! Thank you so much for sharing them.
Glad to hear they are finally classifying this as autoimmune. So many here have felt it was.
My doc keeps telling me finasteride is not recommended even when I tell her I have read otherwise. I feel a bit more empowered to push the issue more now,
The bit about the sebaceous glands and the dry skin and eyes connection really struck me, quite interesting. So many of us have those issues as well. (I wonder of stepping up omega 3s and 6s would help?)
Will read your notes again tomorrow to get more of the details. Thanks again, you’re a doll!
Beez
CurlyK, thank you! Great notes and very much appreciated.
Just a thought - Finasteride is considered a « thing » but in other places on the net it said it’s not terribly effective. It also says that side effects include depression.
As a depressed person in remission, I can’t take any risks. I swear that I would rather lose my whole head of hair tomorrow morning than go through another episode. It’s that bad.
hi halfbakedwho, when I first read this report I thought perhaps I should get my dermatologist script filled for dutasteride, they are saying its safe, but really only be used since 2004..so that is 14 years.. I am still reluctant to take, ...terrified of the side effects, again its nice to know that there is ongoing research into ffa. Spearmint tea has helped stop my beard from developing on my chin if nothing else..I think for the moment that is all I am going to do and off course try not to stress re receding hair line.
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