Frontal Fibrosing Alopecia

This is specifically for frontal fibrosing alopecia sufferers. To share information and support each other.

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  • NatalieW

    Thanks Maddy for your information. I an hesitant to change it when it has dealt with some of the irritation and isn't causing me any major side effects. I will discuss it more when I see him next

  • Will Be Healed

    I wanted to share some positive news on hair growth in my eye brows and lashes. I have been using natural castor oil on my brows every night and using natural olive oil on my eye lashes. The lashes that I lost grew back in about 6 months and my brows grew back (they were thinning pretty bad) in about 9 months. The brows are not as full as they once were, but now when I use the brow powder it doesn't look funny due to the patchiness. Thought I would share just in case others who haven't tris this want to try something natural with positive results. I also take moducare, so that may have something to do with it as well, but the Moducare alone didn't help with the lashes and brows.
  • MJ

    I just looked up moducare. I am very interested. I wonder if this can be taken along with paquinal? Did a doctor recommend this to you?
  • Ann Wilson

    That is very interesting and something I will try!! thank you for sharing, Will be healed, and thanks for telling us the length of treatment before you saw results!

  • Will Be Healed

    MJ, my homeopathic doctor recommended the moducare and I spoke to my derm doctor about it since I will be taking plaquinal after I get my last eye exam today and they confirm it is ok for me to take together. The derm said it was fine to take both.
  • Donna

    Has anyone experienced withdrawal symptoms in stopping clobetasol? I have been on it for over two years and it did not control the inflamation. I am concerned to stay on it but in going to every 2nd day experience low level pain om scalp and feels worse than it ever was before using the clobetasol. On reading up on-line it sounds like withdrawal can be a real problem.
  • okalopecia

    Debs could you please send me a copy of the FFA fact sheet, or if anyone that has a copy that would be willing to forward. Email: ddilldine@tds.net

  • SandyA

    I recently received the info sheet from Debs so would be happy to forward it to you.

  • Lo

    Sandy, can you send it to me as well? Lobertella@yahoo.com
    Many thanks!
  • SandyA

    Lo, I just emailed you a copy of Debs sheet. Hope you got it.

  • okalopecia

    Got it, thank you Sandy
  • Sad in chicago

    Ladies, I really don't understand why you put your bodies through all these wierd medications and toxic stuff.  Isn't it bad enough that we have been afflicted with this ridiculous condition?  My derm tells me that all the meds you are trying have no evidence of working, gave me the same options, but I took a pass.  I am doing my best to be healthy, eat right and exercise (although always a problem at the gym with the way I look!!!!!), and just get through this and try to enjoy life as best I can and be thankful it is not terminal or something really awful.  With my wiglets I look as reasonable and as much myself as possible and that is the best we can do.  I am trying not to stress,although I certainly have my days.  But I feel taking medication for malaria, etc. can only add to the toxins or whatever that have already caused this. 

  • Blondie

    When I first went to my Derm my head was burning and my hairline was receding.. He gave me steroid jabs ..and put me on Planquenil and Toplical ointment ..he recommended Regaine and tumeric
    ..5 months on the burning rash and spots have disappeared , my hair loss had stopped and I feel great.. I do not feel like I am putting myself through anything I am just treating an ailment..it may be a great big coincidence ..but I know I feel a whole lot better now I am doing something than I did when I did nothing and hoped it would not get worse..if I had cancer I would get treatment so I am getting treatment for this...I also eat healthily and exercise but I was doing that before and I got FFA so that didn't help..I think we all have to do what seems right for us ..but it's certainly working for me and there is no evidence as to what causes it
  • Sad in chicago

    Agreed.  I hope it helps you.  I never had rash or spots, so didn't feel the need to treat.  Anyway, it does seem to be slowing down and I am just living with it, what can you do.  It is for sure the hair will never grow back.

  • okalopecia

    If your dermatologist  is knowledgeable on FFA, would you mind sharing his/her name and contact information. I live in OK and have been unsuccessful at finding and educated doctor with FFA experience. I am more than willing to travel to ensure I get best advice/treatment possible. I'm pretty frustrated with the dermatologist search. There are many doctors on the CARF list, however, I would like anyone's first hand experience as well. I know some of you are happy with your dermatologist and I would appreciate if you would share their information. If you don't want to post their information on here, you can email me directly: ddilldine@tds.net  Thank you in Advance

  • Sad in chicago

    My dermatologist was familiar enough to diagnose, but certainly has not been able to do anything about except declare she thinks there is nothing you can do.  She has recommended another derm who specializes in hair restoration surgery, I have called to see if they are familiar or had success with FFA, but have not heard back, which I think is so rude!  Anyway, if you are still interested, I will give you the name of my dermotolgist.  As I said great at diagnosing, but no great answers.

  • Mel

    I agree, Chicago. I go back for my second trip to the dermatologist next week and I think I'm going to tell them no more shots. One round was bad enough. It wasn't that terrible, but they do say there is NO KNOWN effective treatment. So why inject ourselves with stuff that leaves a dent and possible speeds it up?? I want to do anything that possibly makes it go into remission, but nothing I've read shows any link between remission and shots. I am still on the AIP diet... almost a month now. I feel no different, but if our condition is a skin condition (is it?) the skin is a last priority organ so it will take time... I was also trying castor oil. Seems to help some on eyebrows. Coconut oil seems so soothe my head. Leaving it on at night to see if it calms it down at all. Such a mystery.
  • Jean

    Like everyone else, living with FFA can be really depressing but the other day, I made a conscious effort to look on the bright side and have come up with a few positives:

    I no longer have to shave my armpits

    I haven't grown 'granny hairs' on my chin

    I don't have hairs on my top lip any more

    I don't need to shave my legs

    I've had my eyebrows tattooed and they're a much better shape than pre FFA

    I have no pain, FFA isn't contagious and it won't kill me!

    I've got a lovely wig that I wear when my hair looks a mess 

    I have my 'down' days but several of my friends have far worse ailments - some life-threatening.  At the end of the day, it's only my hair and I'm determined not to let FFA ruin my life!!

    With my very best wishes to you all

    Jean

  • Mel

    Thank you, Jean. It can be depressing, but I do love that I seem to feel just fine. I can still exercise and hike. I was diagnosed on the day of my 51-year-old friend's funeral. This is not what I imagined for myself, but grateful that that's all it us got now. I've read how one autoimmune condition may make you more vulnerable for another so I'm eating healthier than I ever have in my life !
  • Sad in chicago

    I agree with all....summer is a little tougher with wind, swimming and exercise, but as you noted, there are worse things.   I should eat healthier and am working on that.  I did stop taking shots and extra medications; I don't even use rogaine any more.  If I see a derm who does hair restoration surgery (transplant) and there is hope i will certainly let you all know.  

  • Maddy, California, U.S.

    Just got an email from CARF asking for volunteers for a new FFA research study that is starting up here in the U.S. Here is the info:

    A Research Study to Evaluate Frontal Fibrosing Alopecia

    Frontal fibrosing alopecia (FFA) is a type of scarring or permanent hair loss that was first described in 1994. It typically occurs in post-menopausal women of European descent but has been reported in men, premenopausal women and other races and ethnicities. It typically involves recession of the frontal hair line, redness of the involved scalp, and eyebrow loss. There is no known cause and no established treatment.

    A multicenter, data collection research study is now going on at 9 different sites across the U.S. If you, or your dermatologist, feels that you may have this condition, please either contact one of the sites directly or ask your dermatologist to contact the site on your behalf. The study doctors first request that you be seen in their clinics for a routine visit for hair loss and then if your diagnosis is confirmed to be FFA, you would be consented to participate in the study. The study would allow the study doctors to collect further information on your hair loss condition and for you to fill out an online questionnaire that may help to lead to information about what is causing this disorder. There is no treatment or compensation related to the study.

    If you are interested in participating in this study, please contact or have your dermatologist contact one of the following sites closest to your home.The sites will set up an appointment for you to see the study doctor.

     

    Duke University (central site)

    Durham, North Carolina

    Investigator: Elise A. Olsen, MD

    Contact: joan.wilson@dm.duke.edu

     

    Callender Center for Clinical Research

    Glenn Dale, Maryland

    Investigator: Valerie Callender, MD

    Contact: FTitanwa@CallenderSkin.com or 301-352-1520

     

    Cleveland Clinic

    Cleveland, Ohio

    Investigator: Wilma Bergfeld, MD

    Contact: 216-444-5722 or 216-445-9110

     

    The (Kaiser) Permanente Group

    Orinda, California

    Investigator: Paradi Mirmirani, MD

    Contact: 707-651-2552

     

    Northwest Dermatology and Research Center

    Portland, Oregon

    Investigator: Janet Roberts, MD

    Contact: 503-223-1933

     

    University of Miami

    Miami, Florida

    Investigator: Antonella Tosti, MD

    Contact: CKittles@med.miami.edu

     

    University of Minnesota

    Minneapolis, Minnesota

    Investigator: Maria Hordinsky, MD

    Contact: 612-624-5721

     

    University of Pennsylvania

    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

    Investigator: George Cotsarelis, MD

    Contact: 215-662-2737

     

    Wake Forest University

    Winston-Salem, North Carolina

    Investigator: Amy McMichael, MD

    Contact: amcmicha@wake.health.edu

     

  • Alice

    Sad in Chicago, how long ago did you stop using Rogaine? I have toyed with thd idea of giving it up, especially since the new hairs are all gray and unruly, but am afraid of losing a kot of hair. It took a long time for new ones to grow out.

  • MJ

    My doctor is Wilma Bwegfeld at the Cleveland Clinic on the list in Maddy's post. I was so glad to find her although I drive from Michigan. From what I gather at this point, the best treatment is some form of progesterone, which I cannot take since I had breast cancer.
    MJ
  • Rachel218

    Could anyone send me the fact sheet ?
  • Linda from Cincy

    MJ, do you have any information about the progesterone treatment your doctor discussed with you?    Since there's obviously hormonal involvement in the development of FFA it sounds like maybe they're finally getting on the right track in trying to figure out why this is happening primarily to peri- and post-menopausal women.  And why is this a fairly recent phenomenon?

    Thanks, Linda

  • MJ

    Linda, I am sorry but I don't know what the name of it was. I didn't ask further since it was not going to be an option for me. How far is Cincinatti from Cleveland? You may want to consider the Cleveland Clinic. My drive is over 3 hours but I only have to go every six months.
  • Linda from Cincy

    Thanks, MJ, Cleveland's about four hours away which is not an awful drive, esp. if I'd only have to go a couple times a year.  I'd definitely like to participate in the research study so will contact Dr. Bergfeld/ the Clinic.  It would be nice to feel that progress being made in figuring this condition out somewhere, somehow!   

    I also have an appt. next week locally with bioidentical hormone doc for some testing.  Not sure if I'll go that route but curious to see what tests show about any hormonal abnormalities or imbalances.   I'll share anything that seems pertinent or helpful.

  • Linda from Cincy

    An interesting aside (or not?) I read recently that, when tested, 34% of patients with lichen planopilaris were also diagnosed with thyroid disease--as compared to 11% of the general public.    So this is definitely an endocrine issue not just some "mysterious" rash that appears with no rhyme or reason.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24569115/

  • KarenGinny - Iowa, US

    Linda, that is interesting. I've always wondered if there was a link between the two since I've had thyroid problems (had a nodule on one removed and been on meds for over 10 years) and been affected by FFA or LLP for the last 4 years. 

  • Mike'sDeb

    I also have thyroid issues. Had a nodule drained at 17 yrs old and was diagnosed hypothyroid at that time...been on thyroid replacement >30yrs.
  • ammie

    I just wanted to update you all on my biopsy results. The biopsy showed lichen planopilaris with moderate inflammation. My dermatologist is referring me to a scarring hair loss specialist and gave me a prescription for Topicort and Plaquenil. Sigh. 

  • Anne Louise

    Linda that is interesting. I've always wondered if the thyroid was somehow connected, since eyebrow loss, especially of the outer third of the eyebrow, is a feature of hypothyroidism. I had thyroid cancer in '09 and diagnosed with FFA last year. My eyebrows were falling out for over a year, but I assumed it was due to my thyroid levels. The whole eyebrow feature is bizarre to me, especially where they seem to respond to treatment more successfully than the scalp. My once thick dark eyebrows, sadly are completely gone...for me the hardest part of this disease so far.
  • Jean

    I've also recently been diagnosed with under active thyroid and estimate that I've probably had FFA for about 6 years.  I have no eyebrows (but beautifully tattooed on) and no bodily hair apart from eyelashes, which come and go.  Like many FFA sufferers, I have other autoimmune issues, including psoriasis and arthritis. There seems to be so much commonality between us that it may be interesting to produce a 'profile' to assist with research - although I'm sure that's been done before!

  • MJ

    I don't know if I mentioned this or not at some point in the past, but there is a link between omeprazole and lichen planus. I had been taking it daily for acid reflux the year prior to getting FFA.
  • LDW

    Hello!  I just received my biopsy results…I have Lichen Planopilaris.  I have received no information from the doctor.  The nurse left me a voice message giving me the results and minocycline prescription was called in.  Help!  Does anyone know of a Specialists in Albuquerque,NM?  I am considering going to Mayo.  Has anyone had any experience with them?  Thanks!!

  • LoriO

    Is the factsheet that is mentioned as being provided by Debs available anywhere online?  I am searching for any information because I have recently been diagnosed with FFA. Thanks!

  • Sad in chicago

    All you need to do is google it....there is a ton of stuff on the internet.  Also, once you go down this road, you find a myriad of ads for hair restoration, wigs, etc.  

  • Mel

    Hi all. I did not get the biopsy, but they have diagnosed FFA. Went for my second visit today at the derm and was going to say no more shots, treatment, but she recommended plaquenil. But I don't like the sounds of this retinal toxicity. Has anyone experienced vision problems after taking it? She also prescribed me the foam, chlobetosal.
  • Mel

    Hi terry. Wow. Not good. So scary. They say it is rare, but permanent, right? Is your vision issue permanent? She recommended against doing nothing, but losing sight sounds worse than losing hair. :(
  • Mel

    Terry, Thank you for the very nice note. I really appreciate your kindness and the info. I have been trying to read a lot, which got me thinking no treatment was best. The dermatologist said she would recommend against that and because some women (supposedly?) have some success with Plaquenil she recommends taking that. She said the side effects are very rare. But... I'm kind of really cautious, especially when it's my vision we're talking about. So I'll have to mull it over.
    I just came home and turned on the TV and a man was seling capsules that have like 2,000 times the recommended biotin. I'm taking 3 mg per day, sometimes 6 mg. But maybe I need more. I Googled some info and found an interesting post. I know some ladies on here mentioned tingly feet. Here's what it says about biotin deficiency: You may wish to take more biotin than the recommended dosages if you experience symptoms related to a biotin deficiency. Biotin deficiency symptoms include hair loss and developing a red rash around your eyes, nose, mouth and/or genitals. This rash is characteristic of a biotin deficiency, along with an usual distribution of fat in the face. You also may experience unexplained fatigue, hallucinations and numbness in your arms and legs.
    Here's the link: http://www.livestrong.com/article/503681-can-a-person-take-too-much...
  • Alice

    Terry, you might want to recheck the biotin dosages. The supplement I take is 5,000 mcg, as in micrograms not milligrams,  which is 1,667 times the RDA. I buy it at Costco and it dissolves in the mouth. Of course, here is no way to tell if it is helping.

  • Anne Louise

    Mel, I can share my experience with Plaquenil as well.  As a nurse working with the blind for many years, I was obviously very hesitant to try it.  However, being newly diagnosed and desperate, I decided to try it.  I was diagnosed with FFA Feb '14 and took Plaqenil and Doxy starting in March'14.  Had my eyes checked in June and then again in December '14...the recommendation is every 6 month eye exams.  Well at the December checkup, after being on it for 9 months, the eye doctor noticed some slight changes to my retina.  I noticed no vision changes.  I came off it immediately.  Both my derm and eye docs said the damage caught that early would be reversible.

    I have now been off Plaquenil for 6 months and have not noicted any changes in my rate of hair loss.  For me, the Plaquenil and Doxy didn't seem to make much differeince. Thankfully my hairline loss has been very slow.  The hair on my legs is pretty much completely gone over the past 6 months.  Finally something to be grateful about with FFA!  I do continue with Clobetasol to my scalp, although I apply it randomly every few nights, not religiously every night like I did last year.

    I do have a colleague with FFA who swears by the Plaquenil.  She takes it for Lyme disease as well and says that when she is off it (I think she takes 6 month breaks) her hair sheds much faster.  She has lost over 2 inches of her hairline in about 4 years.

    So I guess my point is, Plaquenil may work for you.  If you are faithful to your 6 month eye exams, any damage would get caught early.  I am glad I tried it but will not go near it again.  Good luck in whatever you decide, this is a very frustrating disease.

  • Lo

    Hi Anne Louise. Would you mind if I asked you if your friend who has lost the 2 inches is still wearing her hair naturally? And was she on the Plaqeunil those whole 2 years? And how has your rate of loss been... You said slow (and slow is good!!), but are you able to wear your own hair? Many thanks. I e been on plaquenil for 4.5 months and have had 2 eye exams and bit were great. So I said I'd give it a year.
  • Anne Louise

    Hi Lo, My friend with the hair loss still wears it naturally.  You would never know to look at her.  Her bangs start way back, she has very straight hair.  Her eyebrows are tatooed (she was the one who referred me to an excellent eyebrow person) and look very natural.  I think she has had FFA for about 4 years and has been on and off Plaquenil during that time.

    I have very thick curly hair and began with a low hairline, so thankfully the hairloss is not noticeable to others.  I now sport bangs, which are a bit tricky and took some getting used to with my curls, but now I like them.  My hair stylist calls bangs cheap botox!  The skin on my forehead seems to have changed and is sort of bumpy...maybe it's age, maybe it's the FFA, or maybe it's been like that for years but I've only put it under a microscope since my diagnosis ;-).

    My hair loss has been very slow.  I first noticed it around Thanksgiving '13, and since then it's only about a 1/2 inch or so. My derm in March remarked that i've stabilized and my hair stylist insists she doesn't see any loss, but I'm not so sure.  Now that I have bangs I don't monitor and stare every day at my hairline.  I was taking photos of my eyebrows and hairline every month, but I havne't done that since last June.

    I swear I read somewhere that if eyebrow loss occurs first the case tends to be more mild.  But now I can't seem to find that article.  I have lost my thick dark eyebrows completely, over the course of a year.  If my hair remains like it is now I would be one happy lady!

  • Mel

    Thank you, Anne. Good info. It's pretty confusing. ...Interesting about eyebrows first. I wish I knew what happened first. I really don't have leg hair anymore and my eyebrows did not disappear, but thinned. But I didn't even really notice when that happened so I don't know if those things happened before the redness to my hairline, or not.
    Maybe the Plaquenil you took has helped -- who knows -- so I'm leery to take it and also afraid somewhat to go agains the dermatologists advice and NOT take it, but that may be a good option for my sanity (?) I'm going to try the foam, Clobetosol.
  • sallylwess

    Hi all.  Thank you for all of the discussion on Plaquenil.  I have not taken it.  I had thought of taking it a few months ago when I reacted with rashes to the foam Clobetasol and to the Kenalog injections.  My derm told me I had to see my eye doctor to get the ok, and then, I just decided it was not worth the risk.  I've had FFA from 2006.  It was not diagnosed until 2013.  I have lost all of my eyebrows and at least two inches back of my hair.  I no longer can even cut a bang that doesn't look funny, but as I have let my hair grow, I have been able to do a side long bang that is curly.  My new hairdresser convinced me that it looks like I have a high forehead, but that it doesn't look odd.  She encouraged me to wear my hair as it is after I had actually already given up on the wigs and toppers.  I was uncomfortable in them.  They covered the hair I had left that I still liked.  They were hot and itchy.  I was just at a place of acceptance.  I am wearing my hair that I have left, and I am over stressing about the loss.  I am not treating it.  I am just accepting it.  My hair dressing suggested using a darker shade of bronzer on my hairline to contour and hide the high forehead.  I haven't tried it yet, but I thought you might like to see the youtube video she showed me.  It can be found here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16mWjaMHRJI  Acceptance is a powerful and freeing thing.  I may find I am less accepting if I lose more hair, but I am at as much peace as possible at this time.  

  • Jules UK

    After a long break.... It's interesting to read the different thoughts on Plaquenil. After moving house, (very stressful) I let my Plaquenil prescription lapse. I noticed pretty soon that hairloss worsened. At my derm appt, I was told I'd lost a further 2cm from the left side behind my ear, between August 2014 and June this year. So I'm now back on it. I found that it was really, really hard to contemplate losing still more hair so quickly.
    Was it stress or coming off Plaquenil? Who knows. Eye test next week.
    Today, I visited my lovely hair man in Cheltenham for new side "whiskers". He's going to try to "razor" the edges so they look more natural. I cut my head at work this week and was so scared the first aider would pull my hair back for a big reveal! I had quite an audience. Fortunately, it ended well with my secret intact.
  • Will Be Healed

    Ladies,I started losing hair when I had my second child at the age of 32 and I am now 38. I have lost about half an inch at the top hair line and an inch and a half on my right side above my ear. My left side has thinned but for some reason by right side is worse. My eye brows have thined but thankfully I still have some hair. What keeps me going is my faith in God. I continue to remind myself that Jesus heals and I can and will be healed. Don't get me wronge I do waiver back and forth, but when I keep my focus on God I see less hair loss and more hair growth. Although my growth is minimal, I am thankful for the growth I have and the hair I have left. God gives me hope and he helps me through this. My derm tells me that I have no scarring and that I have the potential to grow more hair back. I pray everyday for Gods healing and I am believing for his healing. I pray that we all keep hope and are healed of this disease.
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  • Alice

    Sallylwess, I am also trying to disguise a high forehead. Not so easy to wear bangs with curly hair. The video you posted was interesting.  Has anyone had sucess using sunless tanners along the hairline?  There was a discusdion about I a while ago.